the following is pretty much a response and my reaction to what I was reading on the stereophile forum. This is not a reflection on stereophile in anyway but more my thoughts after reading this thread.
What an absolutely crock of bull this is
"the loudness wars"
Audiophiles will find blame with anything to wiggle their way out in their own minds as to why they are not getting big soundstages and the music sounds compressed. Hello
:idea:audiophiles the reason your systems sound compressed is because your system is compressing it.
This is crazy
What did I say back in the mid "90's". "if the industry (both pro and home) do not make a change this will all fall apart". Engineer geeks who do not listen and understand the audio trilogy are never going to be able to dig their systems (both pro and home) out of the hole they have created.
There's a thread on Stereophile http://www.stereophile.com/content/different-cd-qualitywhats#comment-537381 where guys are struggling to deal with sound changes with digital. I give an answer, then they change the topic to something unrelated while tearing into me for being off topic (which I wasn't, well
). You can feel their frustration in their posts yet they start digging audiophile holes to explain that there is a problem outside of their systems. I'm sorry but this is about as naive as I was in 3rd grade as I read word per word a book report out of an article in true grit. Do you know though that teacher gave me an "A" because I was so innovative, yet warned me not to do it again. She had my number
. The problem is many audiophiles really do think that they are right in their approaches to many audio theories, and I believe a lot of them are coming from a good place deep down. I mean who is this crazy guy who dares to say that High End Audio has gotten off course. What they don't know is, I'm a true audiophile who didn't stop when the reviewers or engineers or anyone else said stop. I had to find out the answers for real, and the only "real" way to do this was take it (the audio world) apart piece by piece and rebuild it from scratch and see what sticks and what was not reality.
After I did explore and I learned how this works I had to think how in the world did a group of men get so stuck
They actually act like they have something that we have not been looking into and studying for years now (compression). I had a tunable studio right next door to the folks (think their name was digit designs) that developed compression systems. They made me tons of disc to listen to and I would sit in on "Warner Bros" recordings helping them tune the acoustics of some of the vocals and guitars, and working on the dynamics both naturally and with their compressors. It got to the point where I made my own studio to test things like real space, real size, compression and all the different parts to the recording process.
here's a peek
The studio was designed with the same size rooms so I could go through the audio chain from start to finish. A lot of recordings were brought to my ears and folks all over music row stopped by to listen to what I was doing. They too were in their own world but it alowed me to learn true size first hand as well as then being able to take a recording from another space and tune it in to their recorded space.
what I found
I found that the space of a recording was the actual space of the room. I measured the space of the studios, "kenny loggins", "Reba", "the oak ridge boys", the grand ole opry, Ryman and other recorded live spaces that were to tests my stages against the recordings. The more I was able to open up the signal flow in my playback the more I could see the stages take on shape of the places I measured. At the same time I built the tunable room downtown and up at my place and found the same to be true. The recordings were not inbetween the speakers at all, the space was huge, like standing in the studio or hall live space. In all of my rooms at the time 4 listening rooms and studio at my place, the 2 tunable rooms at the factory, and the studio on music row I was able to recreate a full size soundstage. A soundstage that I refer to as the "float". It's when the music becomes totally real and stretches to whatever sizes the space is. I have never ever once heard anything close to this on an audiophile system, but is only able to be done on a setup where there is no blockaged holding it back. Even the most compressed recordings had huge stages and you could hear clearly where there was compression being used but it did not sound like what they audiophiles involved in "the loudness wars" are describing. Honestly, the engineers and audiophiles who talk about this I can tell are doing their listening on stock over built equipment and speakers and are hearing most of their distortion from this. I totally understand that there is a problem with how things are being recorded, but these types of problems have always been around and the only real way to solve this is to back up in our over designing and rebuild a more accurate (from start to finish) audio chain.
back up folks
You see, back when we started to also over build mixers the engineers fell into the same trap as the audiophile designers did. They started way overbuilding mixers and studio equipment and the music started to become squeezed, but somehow this became overlooked because (I think) the engineers were going through their own ego driven "this is expensive and better than that because it is" thing. You can see the parallels between the High End Audio studios and the High End Audio home equipment go through this hand in hand almost. I can remember this clearly and thinking to myself "oh no, here they go". It was very audible but these folks embraced for some reason this sound and in time it kept getting worse and worse. It became so bad in both worlds that people had to toe in their speakers almost completely facing them. They even built placement setups around this. They didn't realize they were creating distortions and getting further away from the sound of the live room. They just kept making music playback into a very closed down sound.
don't be fooled
This industry is still finding itself and has a long way to go in it's understanding of the recording process all the way through playback. One mistake was made when engineers had no idea what an electromagnetic field does when put in a chassis with other electromagnetic chargers. No clue that they are creating the problems. Another problem is the misunderstanding of the vibrating signal. Again no clue. They keep making these cluless mistakes then go on a witch hut trying to make up theories that cover their butts and do anything but putting the blame where it belongs and doing something about it. Does the loudness war exist? Sure it does, always did even back in the analog days. There is a gap between live and playback that must be revisited and rediscovered. The issue is this, live has more dynamic info than the playbacks are able to deal with. The engineers have tried to solve this through squeezing the sound. Ok, I get it, move on and fix the real problem already. The real problem is we are still in design mode and must make products that know how to carry the signal better. This means treating the signal like what it is (a vibrating continuum) that fades in and out of tune like all vibrating energy does when introduced with variable signal. Hello, are you listening engineers
, you are making the sound worst and your doing it on every level. The more you close in the sound the worst this is going to get. ARE YOU DEAF? Can the High End Audio industry not hear this? We have the technology to capture music like never before but yet we are producing and playing it back worst then ever before on the high end level. You see these audiophiles standing up and protesting and when you tell them "look over here, we found it" they become like kids on the playground at the end of the day trying to find their mom to take them home. "please Mr. Audio Authority tell me a story so I can feel good about my purchase". "Well youngin, let me tell you a story than, and maybe at the end we can buy this new toy to take home with you".
Oh my Lord I even busted myself up with that one.
I know, I shouldn't be picking on these poor guys but after awhile isn't it really like watching a comedy show, or one of those reality shows that just keeps going round and round
. Hey audiophiles, lets follow the bouncing ball
. Sing along with me
it can't be your audio system that is sounding oh so bad, and we will be the last to tell you sorry buddy you've been had.
in the meantime
Those of you who have found and are finding the hobby of listening along with me I'm thrilled that you have been able to look passed the problems and are looking at the solution. I know that it's kinda weird to be a part of a hobby that has been derailed, but I really believe this is only because it is still young and when you take something that is technical like reproducing sound and a few jump in that speak before listening it's easy to follow and all of a sudden be lost and not quite sure how to get back out of the woods. My recommendation is to put the past in the past and start or reboot by going back to simple even if it looks like a step backward. I assure you it is not. make your system simple and begin exploring the methods of tuning and in no time your going to find the music come to life and you'll be able to play things on your system that you never thought you could. Let the guys playing the blame game stay in their world if they want, there's places to explore in tuneland and layers upon layers of music to discover.